Any newbies out there must be wondering what this post is about.
eventually it gets bored and goes away. I risk being electonically bombed
for this post, but I can handle it.
good point, and often well put; and within an ethos of free speech etc.....
own independent research through google, jeeves, yahoo etc, if you want to.
phishing.......
of tracks. The first blonde said, Those must be deer tracks! The second
still arguing ten minutes later when a train hit them.
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> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:59:47 GMT, Motorsport Man - Bar.org.uk
> wrote:
>
>> wrote in message
>>news:1eq0l2ljmsinee82n8hbpi1j1ubo1dqq2e@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:59:36 +0000, Geoff
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 3 Nov 2006 08:00:17 -0800, salvatore.barbera@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Two new videos on you tube showing crudelty against animals:
>>> >>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t12Tby8oTE0 (it show how fishermen
>>> >>kill
>>> >>tunas)
>>> >>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2BKDhuZL30 (The first whale killed
>>> >>from iceland whailers)
>>
>>-------------------------
>>
>>After seeing the Tuna video, I dont think I can watch the second one, I
>>feel so angry.
>
> Fishing is particularly cruel, which is why they are so desperate to
> pretend fish dont feel pain. As we can clearly see from the video,
> they do!
>
> Most fishing involves using live baits which is particularly cruel to
> both the bait and the captured fish. So cruel even the fishing folk
> are concerned enough to voice dissent. Something the fishing world
> doesnt take kindly to, which is why they try and bully us into not
> revealing the cruelty.
>
>
http://tinyurl.com/y86ch4
>
>
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/sport/angling.htm
>
> Commercial fishing is the same cruelty.
>
>
http://tinyurl.com/yyetzh
>
> The Fishing Industry : Introduction
> The warnings related to the ocean and farmed fishing industries are
> coming faster and harder. Species that were once plentiful are being
> eliminated. Mechanised fishing technologies are also taking their toll
> on vast numbers of bystander marine animals who are hooked, netted and
> dredged from the ocean floor as accidental victims. Meanwhile, we
> treat the worlds oceans as dumping grounds for our toxic effluent and
> imagine that the waste is out of harms way because it is out of
> sight.
>
> Can fish taken from this environment be the supremely healthy and
> wholesome brain food portrayed in official nutritional guides? Or is
> fish meat fundamentally compromised by the presence of chemicals
> linked to cancer and birth defects? Then there are the salmon and
> trout factory farms with their enfeebled, lice-infested inmates
> swimming in the murk in endless circles. Do their lives matter?
>
> This special Animal Aid report brings together - in succinct,
> bullet-point style - key data and observations about the
> environmental, human health and animal welfare dimensions of the
> fishmeat industry. It is the plight of the fish themselves that, until
> now, has received precious little attention. The first thing to note
> is that there is now a scientific consensus recognisingthat fish are
> sentient creatures. The governments own advisory body on farming (the
> Farm Animal Welfare Council) stated in a 1996 report on fish farming
> that fish have all the nerve chemicals and cell receptors necessary to
> experience pain and stress. FAWC based this finding on a comprehensive
> review of the scientific literature. A great deal of additional
> evidence for fish sentience has come forward since.
>
> Given the methods used to catch, haul in and kill ocean fish - all of
> them ungoverned by any welfare code - the question can reasonably be
> posed: does ocean fishing represent the greatest animal welfare
> scandal of our time? Farmed fish fare no better. Welfare protocols
> have been committedto paper but these still allow as many as 50,000
> fish to be confined in crowded cages, swimming in water that is filthy
> from their own waste. They are killed by a variety of brutal methods,
> such as being clubbed, gassed and asphyxiated. Some are gutted alive.
> Others have their gills cut and bleed to death.
>
>
> The Dutch seem to be leading the way in pondering the question of fish
> suffering and how to minimise it. Killing experiments - carried out on
> behalf of the government, the fish industry and an animal welfare body
> - found that after being gutted, 25-65 minutes elapsed before fish
> were insensible - that is to say, incapable of feeling pain. In the
> case of asphyxiation, the time interval was 55-250 minutes.
>
> Champions of fish meat regard, as their strongest suit, the products
> alleged health benefits. In particular, there is the omega-3 issue -
> this being an important polyunsaturated fat found in oily fish such as
> herring, mackerel and fresh tuna. However, not only is up to 30% of
> the fat presentin oily fish of the unhealthy, saturated variety, but -
> according to an expert in the field - vegetarians and vegans can meet
> all their omega-3 requirements from soybeans (including soya milk and
> tofu), walnuts, rapeseed oil, flaxseed and dark green vegetables such
> as spinach. (See pages 14 & 15)
>
> At the end of 2005, European Union countries squandered an opportunity
> to set meaningful fishing quotas that would have provided breathing
> space for species such as cod and blue whiting - the latter being the
> staple food of Europes salmon farms. Whenever action is proposed,
> those who make their living from catching fish claim their position
> will be dangerouslycompromised, even though present practices are
> themselves leading the industry to oblivion. Equally, the public is
> being persuaded that fish can remain on the chip shop menu and on
> supermarket counters and nothing very much need change. But reality
> beckons.
>
> The Fishing Industry : Welfare
> Fish CAN feel pain
> All animals possessing a nervous system and pain receptors are capable
> of suffering the effects of pain. This includes fish.
> Dutch researchers back in the 1980s showed that fish hooked by anglers
> could experience pain. They found that carp hooked on a tight line
> were prepared to starve themselves of food for quite some time
> afterwards to avoid the painful experience. (1)
> Although there are marked differences in brain structure between fish
> and mammals, they nevertheless both share important brain functions,
> including responses to painkillers.
> Government advisory body the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC)
> acknowledges that fish experience fear, stress and pain when removed
> from water, and that the physiological mechanisms in fish for
> experiencingpain are very similar to those in mammals. (2)Similarly,
> an RSPCA-sponsored report concluded that all vertebrates - including
> fish - experience similar sensations in response to painful stimuli.
> Prolonged periods of stress can cause negative changes in the immune
> system, making fish more vulnerable to disease. (3)
> In pain sensitivity experiments performed at Edinburghs Roslin
> Institute, fish had a toxin and acid injected into their lips. They
> exhibited rocking motion, similar to the way higher vertebrates -
> e.g. humans - rock to comfort themselves. They also rubbed their lips
> against the tank walls and gravel, and took three times longer than
> normal to resume feeding. (4)
> In tests at Oxford University, Mexican cave fish - genetically blind -
> built a mental map of their surroundings by memorising the position of
> objects in their tank. They quickly reacted to changes in the set-up.
> This task defeats some small mammals, e.g. hamsters. (5)
> At the University of Edinburgh, spotted rainbowfish remembered how to
> escape from a net in their tank 11 months after initially working it
> out. (5)
> Fish on farms are caged in cruel and unhealthy conditions
> Overcrowding and the unnatural environment found in fish farms greatly
> increase stress levels. As many as 50,000 salmon may be kept in each
> sea cage. Trout are kept in even more crowded conditions.
> Such unnaturally high stocking densities also render the fish highly
> susceptible to disease. (6)
> Salmon suffer from a number of parasites and other debilitating
> agents. The most notable of these include sea lice, furunculosis and
> pancreas disease. Lice infestation is a devastating condition that
> flourishes in farm cages, literally eating the fish alive. Attempts to
> tackle some of these diseases include the use of chemicals (such as
> malachite green and formalin)
> substances known to carry human health risks.
> Farmed fish are regularly dosed with chemicals and antibiotics to
> limit the damage. (7)But between 20 and 50 per cent still die from
> diseases such as cancer or pancreas and kidney infections.
> The number of chemical licences in the salmon industry approved by the
> Scottish Environment Protection Agency (SEPA) increased sevenfold in
> the four years up to 2001. SEPA approved just 45 uses of sea lice
> chemicals in 1998. That rose to 104 the following year, 141 in 2000
> and a staggering 296 in 2001. (8)
> Wild salmon captured near salmon farms in Scotland, Ireland and Norway
> carried an average of 100 lice per fish. Salmon captured away from
> farms carried an average of 13 lice. (9)
>
> Farmed fish are artificially bred
> Before female fish are anaesthetised for egg extraction, their abdomen
> is palpated to see if the egg mass is free. This is highly stressful
> and can occur several times before extraction.
> The eggs are stripped either by hand or compressed air is
> introducedinto the body cavity with a needle. Sometimes the ovaries
> may be removed surgically.
> Most females are killed after their eggs have been stripped, as
> waiting for them to regain body condition is uneconomic. The breeding
> females are treated as production machines, as with other farmed
> female animals. The male fish are also milked several times for
> their semen before slaughter.
> Fish are genetically modified
> Researchers are developing genetic engineering techniques in an
> attempt to produce fish who can grow larger and faster, convert feed
> into flesh more efficiently, are resistant to disease, tolerant of low
> levels of oxygen in the water and can stand freezing temperatures. As
> with all such GM animal procedures, these techniques are highly
> experimental and will result in lots of failures and pain and
> suffering for the fish involved.
> Biotechnology is widely used in Europe to manipulate the chromosomes
> of fish reared for slaughter.
> Sex reversal - feeding testosterone to young breeding females - is
> used to produce batches of all-female fish that will mature later than
> males. This is done because sexually mature fish undergo changes that
> can reduce flesh quality.
> Triploidy (adding an extra set of chromosomes) is often used in
> conjunction with sex-reversal to produce sterile all-female fish who
> show increased feed efficiency and will not interbreed with wild
> populations if they escape.
> These genetic manipulation techniques have effects on the health and
> welfare of the fish. Higher levels of spinal deformities have been
> found in triploid rainbow trout. (10)Triploid salmon have lower
> survival rates and are less able to absorb oxygen, making them less
> able to cope with stressful situations. (11) & (12)
> Fish are transported live
> Juvenile salmon and trout are transported live from hatcheries to a
> rearing farm or for slaughter. They are transferred to and from their
> transport containers by vacuum pumps, or by hand with the use of nets.
> Damaged nets, or rough handling, injure the fish.
> Transport is either in a purpose-designed tank slung below a
> helicopter, by road, or by sea in specially designed well-boats.
> Before transport, it is current practice to deprive fish of food for
> 48 hours or more. This reduces faecal contamination of water in the
> transport tank and reduces oxygen consumption, since starving the fish
> slows down their metabolism.
> Movement and transfer can be a frightening experience for fish and has
> been described as causing considerable stress. (13)
> Major losses occur in farmed trout as a result of accidental oxygen
> deprivation (notably while being transported).
>
> Farmed fish are killed without prior stunning
> In some units, the fish are killed by first being hit on the head with
> a club and then having their gill arches torn or cut so that they
> bleed to death. In other operations, the fish are placed in a carbon
> dioxide tank and then clubbed or are bled to death.
> Slaughter regulations stipulate that farmed animals killed for meat
> should be stunned before having their neck cut, in order to prevent
> suffering, but this does not apply to fish. Killing methods currently
> in use allow exsanguination (bleeding out) without prior stunning,
> resulting in convulsions and muscular spasms.
> Whereas salmon may be clubbed before being killed, trout are too small
> and are left to die of asphyxiation. Some recover consciousness before
> evisceration (removal of internal organs). (7)Fish farmers themselves
> have admitted that letting tens of millions of fish die of
> suffocation each year is unacceptable. (14)
> It is an offence for any person involved in the slaughter of farmed
> fish to cause or permit fish to sustain any avoidable excitement,
> pain or suffering. The use of the word avoidable gets round the
> fact that the entire process of handling and killing the fish in
> itself causes pain and suffering. Furthermore, no monitoring
> whatsoever takes place at sea.
> Wild caught fish also suffer greatly
> Vast drift nets, some 40 km long, are used to trawl the seas. Fish can
> be dragged along the ocean bed for hours within these nets, trapped
> alongside rocks, debris and other sea life that has fallen in the
> nets path.
> When hauled up from the deep, fish undergo excruciating decompression.
> Frequently, the intense internal pressure ruptures the swimbladder,
> pops out the eyes, and pushes the oesophagus and stomach out through
> the mouth.
> Caught fish are sorted using small, spiked rods called pickers.
> Factory ships slaughter and process the fish at sea. Most fish are
> gutted whilst still alive or are left to suffocate.
> A Dutch study on fish industry slaughter methods found that after
> gutting 25 - 65 minutes elapsed before fish were insensible (failed to
> show co-ordinated swimming or responded to stimuli but showed brain
> stem responses like breathing). In the case of asphyxiation, 55 - 250
> minutes elapsed before fish were insensible. (15)
> Unlike the British fishing industry, the Dutch are taking steps
> towards improving fish slaughter methods. The Dutch study recommended
> a general term of reference for the length of time in which a fish
> should be killed - 1 second - to prevent suffering. This
> recommendation is under discussion with a view to including it in
> animal welfare legislation. Killing fish on a large scale within 1
> second is complicated and so the study recommends the stunning of fish
> prior to killing. Although Animal Aid promotes an animal-free diet,
> while fish continue to be caught and killed, genuinely effective
> stunning would be a step in the right direction in an industry
> currently without welfare protocols.
> References
> 1987. Do fish have feelings?New Scientist.
> FAWC. 1996. Report on the welfare of farmed fish.Defra.
> Pickering AD and Pottinger TG (1989) Stress response and disease
> resistance in salmonid fish: effects of chronic elevation of plasma
> cortisol. Fish Physiology and Biochemistry7: 253-258.
> Sneddon, L.U et al.2003. Do fish have nociceptors: evidence for the
> evolution of a vertebrate sensory system.Proceedings of the Royal
> Society Series B: Biological Sciences. Vol. 270, No. 1520.
> Matthews, R. 2004. Fast-learning fish have memories that put their
> owners to shame.The Sunday Telegraph.
> DEFRA
www.defra.gov.uk
> Lymbery, P. 2002. In Too Deep - The Welfare of Intensively Farmed
> Fish.CIWF.
> Feb. 2002. Salmon Farms a licence to pollute.Scotland on Sunday.
> 2004. Sea Lice and Salmon: Elevating the dialogue on the farmed-wild
> salmon story.Watershed Watch Salmon Society.
> Madsen, L., Arnbjerg, J. and Dalsgaard, I. 2000. Spinal deformities in
> triploid all-female rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss). Bull. Eur.
> Ass. Fish Pathol., 20 (5), 206-208.
> Johnstone, R. 1992. Production and performance of triploid Atlantic
> salmon in Scotland.Marine Laboratory, The Scottish Office Agriculture
> and Fisheries Department.
> Willoughby, S. 1999. Manual of salmonid farming.Fishing News Books,
> Blackwell Science, Oxford.
> Shepherd, J. and Bromage, N. R. 1988. Intensive Fish Farming.BSP
> Professional Books, Oxford.
> Brown, A. 2003. Stunning fish before death considered by EU.The Times.
> V.d. Vis and Kesten. 1996. Killing of fishes; literature-study and
> practice- observations (field research) report number C 037/96, 1996
> RIVO DLO.
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