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On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:35:43 +0100, Malcolm
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For an old soak youd know all about being incoherent!

So lets see, so far we have bully boys

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and a couple of others determined to disrupt the group once again.

Oh well, alls fair in love and war.

I wonder if they got some feeling for how pheasants feel, before
reaping what they sow!

Live by the sword..............

Crash victims on shooting trip

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6931902.stm

Air accident investigators are continuing their inquiries
Four men who died when a helicopter crashed into a field in Cumbria
were travelling to a pheasant shoot in Scotland, police said.
The bodies of the victims, including a father and son, were found near
a farm in Gatebeck, Kendal, on Saturday.

The Robinson R44 aircraft set off from Carnforth, Lancashire, on
Friday night bound for Lochmaben, near Lockerbie.

The father and son were from the Carnforth area and the two other men
were from West Yorkshire.

A Cumbria Police spokesman said the deceased would not be named until
next of kin had been informed, with full details expected to be
released on Monday morning.

Air accident investigators are continuing their inquiries at the crash
scene near Sill Field Farm.

Mobile phones

The wreckage of the helicopter is expected to be removed from the site
later on Sunday.

A search operation involving police, coastguards, mountain rescue
teams and an RAF helicopter was mounted when the helicopter failed to
arrive at its destination.

Police pinpointed its position using signals from the passengers
mobile phones, but a farm worker had spotted the crashed aircraft and
had alerted emergency services.

A spokesman for Cumbria Fire and Rescue Service said the area had
experienced heavy rain and strong winds on Friday night.

Two of the bodies were said to have been inside the wreckage, while
the other two were on the ground.

Sill Field Farm is owned by pig farmer Peter Gott who is well known in
the area for breeding wild boar.

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:03:19 +0100, Gloria
wrote:


One thing for sure. Theyll not shoot any more pheasants for fun and
recreation.
Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

I thought that the grouse season was due to start on the 12th August.
Pheasant season isnt due to start until September.
Davy M.

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Isnt pheasant shooting in Scotland from October to February?

Millions of pounds of taxpayers money was coined in when the
CONservation hooligans started scapegoating the aliens for the
supposed decline of puffin and other seabirds, when any genuine
conservationist could see it was a shortage of food that was the
problem. Millions of brown rats, rare black rats, hedgehogs etc have
been wantonly slaughtered and the money wasted, in the meantime
genuine conservation issues have fallen by the wayside.

Remember this next time the RSPB, Woodland Trust etc ask for
donations. Its one big con!



Puffin chicks starving to death

Puffin chicks on a group of remote Scottish islands are starving to
death, according to the National Trust for Scotland (NTS).
Adults are not finding enough food in the sea around St Kilda, which
has left their young severely malnourished.

The trust, which owns the archipelago, said the numbers of eggs
hatching were also down.

Last month, RSPB Scotland said Scotlands seabirds were having a
disastrous breeding season.

Sarah Money, the NTS seabird ranger on the islands, said puffins were
struggling to find their normal food of nutritious and oil rich sand
eels, young herring or sprats.

She said: The chicks are just dying of starvation, with hundreds of
emaciated bodies lying around outside the burrows.

Since July, the parents have been bringing back mainly pipefish,
which the chicks cant swallow. Many of the burrows contain piles of
uneaten, rotting pipefish.


We have never seen this before
Bob Swann
Canna researcher

She added: Before 2001, snake pipefish were rarely seen in Scottish
waters but have been becoming increasingly common in recent years.

It is feared that this is another symptom of climate change as they
are a southern species that have been extending their range
northwards.

However, guillemots have done reasonably well on St Kilda.

Rangers on the Hebridean island of Canna and St Abbs Head in the
Borders, which are also owned and managed by NTS, have also reported
an increase in pipefish.

Bob Swann, who has been studying the seabirds on Canna for more than
30 years, said: We have never seen this before.

The kittiwake parents have been bringing pipefish back for their
chicks which have been dying in large numbers.

St Abbs Head ranger Kevin Rideout said they were seeing one chick
raised for every eight nests.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/highlands and
islands/6933378.stm

Published: 2007/08/06 14:05:27 GMT

Growing fuel might not be as green as we think
http://www.theherald.co.uk/misc/print.php?artid=1599145
At first it seemed so simple: a new type of fuel derived from a
harmless flowering shrub. It could be used in existing vehicles
without modifying them and would provide not only a secure fuel supply
and a valuable cash crop for farmers but an endless, sustainable fuel
source that, unlike fossil fuel, did not add to the amount of carbon
in the atmosphere. Run your car with a clear conscience: this was the
solution wed been waiting for.

But biofuels arent quite the environmental dream they seem - at least
not according to the bus company National Express. The firm has just
announced that it is pulling out of a biofuels trial after consulting
with green groups and concluding, in the words of chief executive
Richard Bowker, that what appears to be the green option may not
actually be green after all.

The firm had embarked on the trial of biofuels - produced from crops
such as rapeseed, wheat and sugar cane and beet - as part of its drive
to cut its carbon footprint, with the ultimate aim of running some of
its London buses on up to 30% biodiesel. But Bowker said that while
the fuels may well have a role to play in helping us reduce the
emissions of greenhouse gases arising from transport operations in the
future, the company was not convinced of their green benefits at
present.

Its concerns follow studies indicating that intensive farming methods
can give biodiesel a bigger carbon footprint than traditional oil, and
the company added that there were also problems around sustainability
of supply.

So are biofuels better for the environment than fossil fuels, or
arent they?

Adam Harrison, senior policy officer at WWF Scotland, works on food
and agriculture issues, with a particular focus on biofuels. There is
no doubt, he says, that biofuels can indeed deliver high carbon
reductions, citing sugar cane grown efficiently in Brazil as one
example - it can save 70% of carbon emissions compared with petrol.
Other studies back this up: a report by Sheffield Hallam University
found that net savings of 71% in carbon dioxide emissions could be
realised by replacing ultra-low sulphur diesel with biodiesel produced
from oilseed rape and that net savings of 70% in carbon dioxide
emissions could arise from the substitution of unleaded petrol with
bioethanol produced from wheat.

Yet not all biofuels are created equal. The way a fuel is manufactured
can add greatly to its carbon impact. For example, if rainforest is
cut down to make way for a biofuel soya plantation, it will release a
lot of CO2 into the atmosphere. Intensive cropping may also contribute
to the release of soil-bound CO2. Then there are fertilisers to
consider, which put nitrous oxides (powerful greenhouse gases) into
the atmosphere, plus the carbon footprint associated with irrigating,
harvesting and transporting the crop.

Some fuels will produce substantially more greenhouse gases than if
you used petrol in the first place, says Harrison. As an example, he
cites bioethanol produced from maize in the US, which can generate
140% of the carbon you would use if you had gone for petrol.

If that seems a scandalous betrayal of the whole rationale behind
biofuels, its because the US governments backing for biofuel
production is nothing to do with carbon, but to do with fuel
security.

The problem is that consumers assume biofuel automatically means
greener than petrol. For this reason, WWF and other groups have been
pressing the UK government to set binding standards so that all
biofuels used in British vehicles deliver a minimum level of carbon
reduction compared to conventional fuels.

WWF has also lobbied the government to set standards on sustainability
of biofuel plantations, to limit their adverse effects on wildlife
habitats.

The government has responded: by 2010, the fuel blend at British pumps
must contain 5% biofuel; minimum greenhouse gas standards for biofuels
will be brought in the same year, with sustainability standards coming
in the year afterwards.

So, some of these problems are in the process of being sorted out.
There are other issues - the fact that the growth of the biofuel
industry is pushing up food prices in some places, for instance - but
biofuels are constantly evolving. In recognition of this, National
Express made clear that it was still interested in so-called
second-generation biofuels - that is, fuel made from wood chips, grass
or even small trees. As yet, the technology for mass producing
second-generation biofuels is some way off, but when they can be
manufactured, its likely that they will offer much more substantial
greenhouse gas savings, says Harrison.

All in all, then, environmental groups regard biofuels as a good
thing, provided they deliver confirmed greenhouse gas savings and are
sustainably produced. And in the meantime? We need to use our cars
less, says Harrison. Thats the really simple answer.

12:29am today



By REBECCA McQUILLAN

Probably is. I just new that the grouse season hasnt started yet.
Davy M.

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