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PostPosted: 2004-11-21 15:00:55
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:20:58 +0000, Derek
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>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:31:12 +0000, Greg Hennessy wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:11:21 +0000, Derek wrote:
>>>
>>>According to your rule, if I were to buy from those farmers
>>>and coal workers, and benefit from them, I would be responsible
>>>for their deaths and be showing a contempt for human rights.
>>
>>Specious nonsense.
>>
>>The miners & farmers are there of their own free will.
>
>You benefit from their deaths and rights violations, whether
>they have free will or not,

How can their rights possibly be violated if they are there of their own
free will ?

Lets go back to my previous answer to this nonsense


Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:13:15 +0100
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#quote
> yet you continue using them despite
>that knowledge. Why do you expect me to foreswear
>treatments which have been perfected through the use of
>animals while you continue to use treatment which have
>been perfected by using human subjects against their will?
>Why wont you be consistent and foreswear them?


Ill remind the poster that Im not the one attempting to argue that one
form of alleged animal harm is wrong while another form is perfectly
acceptable.

If you are truly advocating a do no harm position w.r.t animals, then it
must apply equally everywhere at all time. Your unwillingness to accept the
implications of that is not my fault.
#endquote


You had no rejoinder (sic) that time, repeating the same nonsense while
ignoring what was addressed previously does you no favours at all.



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PostPosted: 2004-11-21 20:18:24
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:00:55 +0000, Greg Hennessy wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:09:54 +0000, Derek wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:31:12 +0000, Greg Hennessy wrote:
>>>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:14:01 +0000, Derek wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I believe forcing a child to eat a rotting corpse
>>>>>> is more akin to child abuse that feeding it with healthy
>>>>>> vegetable matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>Generally children need more forcing to eat vegetables than meat or fish.
>>>>
>>>>Ipse dixit and false. A child will more readily pick up and
>>>>eat a piece of fruit than a lump of rotting flesh.
>>>
>>>That sentence is both a fallacy of distraction and an inductive fallacy.
>>
>>Once again youve merely announced I invoked a fallacy
>>without describing it fully.
>
>One rarely has to state the bleeding obvious.

Thats a dodge. Explain the fallacy youre referring to
and describe how it concerns my statement.

>Its not the fault of the audience that your limited intellect cannot grasp
>this.
>
>Ill explain one of the two, as homework you can figure out the other one
>if you can.
>
>The fallacy of distraction, which in this case is an unequivocally false
>dilemma.

Nonsense. The false dilemma has nothing to do with my
statement on children preferring fruit to rotting flesh.

[False Dilemma
Type: Informal Fallacy
Exposure:
The Black-or-White Fallacy, like Begging the Question,
is a validating form of argument. For example, some
instances have the validating form:

Simple Constructive Dilemma:

Either p or q.
If p then r.
If q then r.
Therefore, r.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/eitheror.html

You havent a clue about what youre writing about. You
announce that every other sentence from your opponent
invokes a fallacy, and when asked what that fallacy might
be you then go on to describe something which has nothing
to do with the argument or statement in front of you. Youre
a joke.

>1. A parent is *not* going to feed a child rotting flesh (sic).
>2. A Parent is *not* going to *force* a child to eat a rotting corpse
>(sic)
>3. Giving a child meat to eat is *not* akin to child abuse.

Whats that nonsense supposed to prove? In not a valid
form of argument in the least.


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PostPosted: 2004-11-23 10:40:00
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:36:21 +0000, Paul Hyett
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>In uk.politics.misc on Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 18:46:00, Derek wrote :
>>>
>>>I thought we were talking about vegetables, not fruit?
>>
>>vegetable matter Pay attention.
>
>Since when did *vegetable* matter include *fruit*?

[vegetable
n
1: edible seeds or roots or stems or leaves or bulbs or tubers
or nonsweet *fruits* of any of numerous herbaceous plant]
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=vegetable

[The growing, marketing and consumption of vegetables
in the United States today has come a long way since
small lots were bartered. The field-to-table story of todays
vegetables is a story of big business, and it is sometimes
because of the needs of commerce that a fruit is a vegetable,
or a vegetable is treated as a fruit.]
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/vegetables/vegancestors.html

>>>>>not to mention having been immersed in boiling water for a while.
>>>>
>>>>I dont boil my fruit in water.
>>>
>>>Never had home-made apple pie?
>>
>>I boil it then, but that doesnt mean to say I boil all my
>>fruit.
>
>You brought up fruit, not I.

I brought up vegetable matter, and that includes fruits.


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