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 Post subject: Re: Pearls Nanny Goat
PostPosted: 2006-03-30 13:59:21
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:23:28 GMT, Eden wrote:

>Dave wrote:
>> pearl wrote:
>>
>>> wrote in message news:gh1j22hpq561dgofr0rr0ik4oj82rv6gmt@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Shes in hell and youre her devil.
>>>
>>>Youre crazy.
>>
>>
>> It was an extraordinary outburst wasnt it? Especially from someone
>> who used to breed cocks for fighting.
>
>He used to breed fighting dogs, too.

Thats a lie Goo. So you tell a lie, and what does that gain you?
You cant even answer that, you inept Goober. You are so weak
at presenting your own ideas that you cant even explain what you
gain from the thing you do most, which is lie.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearls Nanny Goat
PostPosted: 2006-04-04 06:02:23
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st7 wrote:
> Rob wrote:
> > Im sure you already know that certain natural toxins are destroyed by
> > the cooking.
>
> So you avoid those foods that are toxic in the raw state.

Interestingly in the context of human diet history many of what are
today edible vegetables werent before the dawn of agriculture and the
selective breeding of certain crops to make them more palatable or less
toxic. Most vegetables, unlike fruit, come from parts of the plant that
the plant doesnt want you to eat and in the original varieties would
have been toxic, bitter-tasting or both - so probably werent part of
the ancient hominid diet. Any attempt, therefore, to claim that eating
modern cultivated vegetables and fruit is somehow closer to our ancient
ancestors natural diet is misguided (even ignoring any controversy
about meat).

MattLB


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 Post subject: Re: Pearls Nanny Goat
PostPosted: 2006-04-04 15:14:26
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MattLB wrote in message
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> st7 wrote:
> > Rob wrote:
> > > Im sure you already know that certain natural toxins are destroyed by
> > > the cooking.
> >
> > So you avoid those foods that are toxic in the raw state.
>
> Interestingly in the context of human diet history many of what are
> today edible vegetables werent before the dawn of agriculture and the
> selective breeding of certain crops to make them more palatable or less
> toxic. Most vegetables, unlike fruit, come from parts of the plant that
> the plant doesnt want you to eat and in the original varieties would
> have been toxic, bitter-tasting or both - so probably werent part of
> the ancient hominid diet.

But most vegetables are actually the plants fruit. And...

Throughout the earths geological history (4.5 billion years),
large scale forces of nature such as global climate change,
movements of continents, and geological variations induced
by sun, rains and the winds, gave rise to a variety of life forms
including a diversity of plain communities. An even more
diverse array of herbivorous animals, ranging from tiny
grasshoppers to giant elephants evolved to crop this vegetation.
This complement of herbivores included several large mammals
ancestral to the present day deer, pigs, wild cattle, tapirs, rhinos
and elephants. Such a community of ungulates is not a mere
collection of individual species, but an intricate, ecological web
in which large species feed on coarser plants, providing paths
and access for smaller ones, and each ungulate specialises to
feed on different plant species, plant parts or different stages
of plant growth. ..
..
http://www.rareearthexplorations.com/wildindia/tiger/tiger.htm

Of course that also applies to primates and plant foods.

> Any attempt, therefore, to claim that eating
> modern cultivated vegetables and fruit is somehow closer to our ancient
> ancestors natural diet is misguided

The plant foods we eat may be selected for desirable qualities,
but they are still the genetic descendants of edible plant foods.

> (even ignoring any controversy about meat).

Very wise. :).

> MattLB


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 Post subject: Re: Pearls Nanny Goat
PostPosted: 2006-04-06 08:30:40
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Joe the Aroma wrote:

> >> No Id say that the fact that most normal (not vegan) humans find the
> >> taste
> >> of meat and fat appealing proof that we are natural omnivores.
> >
> > What does natural mean in the context of human behaviour? It
> > is certainly normal for humans to eat meat and fish and if this was
> > true of any other species of animal we would say/assume they
> > were natural predators/omnivores/carnivores. From a health
> > perspective, this line of reasoning tells us little if anything about
> > the desirability (or otherwise) of meat.
>
> Well eating something natural would mean that its likely that our bodies
> could handle it, we would like the taste, and if it harmed us it would put
> us at a natural disadvantage.

That is a very logical hypothesis. Now tell us why we find it so
natural to eat sugar and salt.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearls Nanny Goat
PostPosted: 2006-04-06 08:52:03
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Dave wrote in message
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> Joe the Aroma wrote:
>
>> >> No Id say that the fact that most normal (not vegan) humans find the
>> >> taste
>> >> of meat and fat appealing proof that we are natural omnivores.
>> >
>> > What does natural mean in the context of human behaviour? It
>> > is certainly normal for humans to eat meat and fish and if this was
>> > true of any other species of animal we would say/assume they
>> > were natural predators/omnivores/carnivores. From a health
>> > perspective, this line of reasoning tells us little if anything about
>> > the desirability (or otherwise) of meat.
>>
>> Well eating something natural would mean that its likely that our bodies
>> could handle it, we would like the taste, and if it harmed us it would
>> put
>> us at a natural disadvantage.
>
> That is a very logical hypothesis. Now tell us why we find it so
> natural to eat sugar and salt.
>

The body naturally requires carbohydrates and sodium and we have a
natural taste for them..
Of course excess is not good.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearls Nanny Goat
PostPosted: 2006-04-06 11:57:33
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Dave wrote in message
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> Joe the Aroma wrote:
>
>> >> No Id say that the fact that most normal (not vegan) humans find the
>> >> taste
>> >> of meat and fat appealing proof that we are natural omnivores.
>> >
>> > What does natural mean in the context of human behaviour? It
>> > is certainly normal for humans to eat meat and fish and if this was
>> > true of any other species of animal we would say/assume they
>> > were natural predators/omnivores/carnivores. From a health
>> > perspective, this line of reasoning tells us little if anything about
>> > the desirability (or otherwise) of meat.
>>
>> Well eating something natural would mean that its likely that our bodies
>> could handle it, we would like the taste, and if it harmed us it would
>> put
>> us at a natural disadvantage.
>
> That is a very logical hypothesis. Now tell us why we find it so
> natural to eat sugar and salt.

Good point. Indeed carrot cake tastes pretty goddamn good. But I dont think
its impossible to find it in the wild in that state is it? On the other
hand, you could probably find plenty of fatty, gamey meat couldnt you?


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 Post subject: Re: Pearls Nanny Goat
PostPosted: 2006-04-06 10:21:28
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Joe the Aroma wrote in message
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> Dave wrote in message
> news:1144337440.031715.188370@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Joe the Aroma wrote:
>>
>>> >> No Id say that the fact that most normal (not vegan) humans find the
>>> >> taste
>>> >> of meat and fat appealing proof that we are natural omnivores.
>>> >
>>> > What does natural mean in the context of human behaviour? It
>>> > is certainly normal for humans to eat meat and fish and if this was
>>> > true of any other species of animal we would say/assume they
>>> > were natural predators/omnivores/carnivores. From a health
>>> > perspective, this line of reasoning tells us little if anything about
>>> > the desirability (or otherwise) of meat.
>>>
>>> Well eating something natural would mean that its likely that our
>>> bodies
>>> could handle it, we would like the taste, and if it harmed us it would
>>> put
>>> us at a natural disadvantage.
>>
>> That is a very logical hypothesis. Now tell us why we find it so
>> natural to eat sugar and salt.
>
> Good point. Indeed carrot cake tastes pretty goddamn good. But I dont
> think its impossible to find it in the wild in that state is it? On the
> other hand, you could probably find plenty of fatty, gamey meat couldnt
> you?
>
>

Dont tell us that you cant find marshmallows in the forest.


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