ANIMAL FORUM

Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating

http://www.vegan.com/vegandownload.php

Download your free copy in PDF format
or buy the book from Amazon.com.

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:13:26 +0100, pearl wrote:

Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant lying pig-sodomizing goober cracker,
lied:

Leif Erikson wrote:

I saw nothing in his post that was ignorant or a lie. Every one of
those products contains some animal product.

wrote in message news:e60e92pjnghti4dimt4nhsu52g9f155374@4ax.com...

Each year in the United States, approximately ten billion land
animals are raised and slaughtered for human consumption.
....
The wild mouse lives free of confinement and is able to practice
natural habits like roaming, breeding,and foraging. In contrast,
the grass-fed cow, while able to roam some distance in a fenced
pasture, may suffer third-degree burns (branding), have holes
punched in his ears (tagging), be castrated, have his horns
scooped out of his head (dehorning), and be kept from breeding
naturally.Once reaching market weight, he can be transported up
to several hundred miles without food, water, or protection from
extreme heat or cold; then he is killed in a conventional
slaughterhouse. The conditions of slaughter-houses have been
described in detail elsewhere (Eisnitz, 1997). Suffice it to say,
it is hard to imagine that the pain experienced by a mouse as
she or he is killed in a harvester compares to the pain even a
grass-fed cow must endure before being killed.
....
http://homepage.uab.edu/nnobis/papers/least-harm.pdf

Roy. Just Roy. wrote:

What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following in order to be successful:

If there is one item on the list for which there are vegan versions
then the above claim made by David Harrison is refuted. Here goes:
http://www.ecover.com/dk/en/Products/Dishes/ biodegradable detergent
approved by the Vegan Society Ingredients:
Water
Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulfate
Alkyl Poly Glycoside C10-16
Sodium Chloride
Citric Acid
Perfume
Limonene
Protein Hydrolysate
Aloe Barbadensis Extract
Citral
2-bromo-2-nitropropane-1,3-diol

How does this product provide life (and death) for farm animals?
This single example destroys the credibility of his entire list!

wrote in message news:e60e92pjnghti4dimt4nhsu52g9f155374@4ax.com...

Blimey. Someone cant even offer the download of a free book without the
trolls with their same old load of utter bollocks popping up!

The Establishment must be utterly bloody terrified of Veganism catching on
to pay this bunch of totally destructive idiots to slag off Veganism with
their load of misinformation and utter tripe at every opportunity!

Theyre just like the paid MI5 professional hecklers who used to try to
discredit any orators with the slightest bit of original thought at
Speakers Corner years ago - and I have proof that thats what they were.
One of the bastards threatened to arrest me when I asked him if that was
what he was!

Since when does, If you cant do something 100%, dont do it at all make
any sense?! Where would we be now if everyone with any ethics at all took
notice of that sort of crap idea?

Nemo

Vegan for nearly 41 years!

Roy. Just Roy. wrote in message
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Leif Erikson wrote:

I saw nothing in his post that was ignorant or a lie. Every one of
those products contains some animal product.